Sourcing is one of the biggest problems for most inventors and entrepreneurs in 3D production, with customers generally left on their own to find cutting-edge digital manufacturing vendors that are best suited to their 3D manufacturing needs. 3Diligent is a platform that prequalifies the vendors who can bid on your project. Customers can take advantage of manufacturers’ idle printer capacity to get quality products for a discounted cost. Vendors benefit from the same arrangement by getting the build volume that allows them to get the most out of their assets. Join in as Company CEO Cullen Hilkene sits down with Tom Hazzard and Tracy Hazzard to dig deeper into how the platform works.
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Diligently Sourcing For 3D Print Production With Cullen Hilkene Of 3Diligent
Who are you interviewing, Tracy?
It’s Cullen Hilkene from 3Diligent out of El Segundo, California. That’s near LAX for those who aren’t in the area. I like the idea of this because this is about sourcing smarter for 3D designs or production or manufacturing. It’s industrial 3D printing.
It is more business to business commercial 3D printing.
It’s not specifically big companies sourcing other industrial printers. It can be a little guy. It can be an inventor, designer, or entrepreneur who wants to source someone who’s vetted, which I like.
I like the name 3Diligent as well. It’s a cool company name. When you think about that name or what it means, they’ve done their due diligence on your behalf before you’ve ever become a customer.
You know, Tom, in our Mentors 2 Inventors process things of how we do it, smart diligent sourcing is one of the terms we use. It’s important. It’s a critical part of making sure that you can produce what you have designed.
This interview should be of interest to everybody out there, even if you’re not a commercial operation because anybody can use it and we’re going to try it ourselves. Why don’t we go to the interview with Cullen?
Cullen, thanks for joining us on WTFFF?! We spent some time researching your company on your website, and we’re interested to hear more about that, especially the name.
Thank you. I appreciate it. Thanks for having me on the show.
Perhaps you could start by telling us how 3Diligent got started and maybe a summary of what your goal is.
The backstory in 3Diligent, to properly tell it, I’ve got to go back in time a little while. I was a management consultant with Deloitte’s Strategy & Operations for about five years. During my time there, I got exposure to 3D printing and some of the challenges that existed in the industry. Also, some of that tremendous opportunity that was coming around the corner when production quality capabilities arrived. It evolved from being a prototyping technology into a production technology.
I got that exposure within Deloitte. I continued to track the industry and realized that as the market was evolving, some of the cost issues hadn’t been fully addressed. A lot of that, at least in my opinion, was that there wasn’t a true marketplace and a truly efficient connection between demand and supply when it came to the heavier duty equipment and the heavier duty materials. Whereas there are a lot of talented supplies out there that have excess capacity.
The underlying concept of 3Diligent was to create a single-sourcing platform where customers could submit an RFQ and allow our algorithm to dynamically source that to the right set of vendors to competitively bid the job. In doing so, we could save customers a lot of time and money, and we could additionally create this veiled bidding concept. Since we’ve pre-qualified all the vendors, it allows the vendors to be more aggressive with pricing, and if they’ve got excess capacity or idle capacity. In that way, you have a win-win on both sides with the vendors and the customers.
I’m going to step back a little bit because we don’t always talk about anything besides FFF printing, and this is more industrial printing. Most of the kinds of vendors that you’re hooking up with are doing SLA, SLS, metal, and other types, correct?
That’s exactly right. We have networked most every 3D printing technology that’s available on the market. You touched on an important challenge that exists for folks. They’ve got a lot of familiarity with fused filament fabrication as a technology but may not be aware of some of the capabilities, materials available, and other technologies. If they ever expand beyond any limitations they might be bumping into with their printers, we’re a nice place to go when that happens, but avoid that obsolescence risk and hard cost that comes with investing in these other technologies.
That’s an interesting thing. For instance, you get to a design level at which you’ve refined it and you get your design right in FFF. It’s convenient to do the iterative design process that way because it’s right at your desk and you can go back and forth and do that, but that’s not necessarily the most efficient way to produce it even in a small run situation.
There are certain efficiencies lent by different technologies depending on what kind of geometry you’re working with. For that matter, what materials you want to be working with. You may be able to test out a shape drive towards a concept. If you need high fidelity prints and you need to play around in some materials other than PLA or ABS depending on your FFF machine, that’s what some of these other technologies open up for you.
Maybe we wouldn’t have that experience on what type of machine we needed or what type of geometry works better on a certain machine. Does your site help advise that?
Yes. In a manner of speaking, it does. When you submit an RFQ through the platform, we’ve got both algorithmic matching, and that’s backed up by human assessment. What we’ll do is then source it to real live vendors who proceed to bid the job and we’ve fully facilitated messaging on the platform. If you’ve presented an RFQ and said, “This is conceptually what I want when it comes to the material. This is conceptually what I want when it comes to that process.” We can then put that information in the hands of these vendors who can have a back and forth with you and route to bidding appropriately for the task at hand, and then you pick between the bids, whatever makes the most sense to you.
Does 3Diligent specifically qualify each of the vendors in your network? How do you know these people can deliver what they’re telling you they can?
Yes. One of the fundamental tenets of the platform is, “It’s nice to be able to access idling excess capacity to get my parts faster and more affordable but if it’s bad quality, what good does that do for you?” Every vendor that is on our platform has gone through our vetting process. They’ve made test parts for us and they’ve gone through their paces. I can’t dig in all the special sauce of our qualification process. Needless to say, everybody who’s invited to join the platform has been an impressive candidate as they’ve gone through a vetting process.
When someone submits an RFQ and they get back 3 or 6 different options, is the vendor, in terms of who it is, blind to the consumer? I would imagine there may be some intentional point in that.
Yes. I wouldn’t say blind. The term we use is veiled. The vendor will know the zip code they’re shipping to, and that allows them to provide a bid that’s all inclusive of sales tax, shipping cost, and their production cost with the delivery date that has been specified. Similarly, for the customer, they’ll know what certifications the vendor carries. All those things, they can exchange that back and forth and if there are any assurances that the customer wants or anything like that, those can be baked into the contract. It’s just a matter of messaging that to the vendor and then they specify it in the agreement.
The inherent benefit to that then, since we’ve done the legwork on qualifying these guys, is that veil allows for vendors to get more aggressive with access and idle capacity if they’ve got a build tray. This is especially true with some of the powder bed technologies to some extent with fused filament fabrication, FDM, and other extrusion-based technologies. If you’ve got empty space and a build tray and you’re starting to print run, you can sometimes offer that excess capacity for a better price because you’re already starting that print run, you’re already set up to run it.
You’re hiding it because you’re veiled in there, so you aren’t disclosing to your current customers that you’ve offered up less, but you’re more efficient.
It allows the vendors to get more out of their machines without jeopardizing their pricing power in the market. It helps out customers in the sense that rather than going to the end of a queue, “I’ve got three days worth of jobs before I can do yours.” “I can add yours to this build tray already if only there was a way for me not to be jeopardizing my pricing power.” That was the logic that we baked in when we created 3Diligent. It creates a way for both customers and vendors to win in this. The vendors are getting more on their machines and customers are getting faster turnarounds and better prices.Source smarter. Click To Tweet
It sounds a bit like a Priceline, HotelTonight, or something like that where you’re selling excess capacity that otherwise won’t be unused and the vendor makes nothing. Here, they get to at least make something.
Who knows? They might build a long-term great customer relationship.
It’s funny, but 3D printers are a lot like hotels. If that bed isn’t rented out to somebody by the time it’s 10:00 at night, that’s wasted capacity and it would have been nice to sell it for some discount. The same goes for a 3D printer. Once you press print, you can’t stop midstream, so this allows all parties to win.
As a customer, is 3Diligent my only point of contact? Am I paying 3Diligent? How does that interface work?
All payments would flow through us. You cut your PO to 3Diligent and similarly, we handle all the payments to the different vendors. In that sense, it also streamlines the procurement process for you as a customer. I should mention too, that there is a separate offering we offer beyond just this pure marketplace where things are sourced to those folks that are capable of bidding on the job. We do limit the number of RFQ responses to five to give vendors a fair shot at winning the work and at the same time, customers a fair representation of what the market has to offer.
The one thing I would also mention is that 3Diligent Select is another offering we have where it’s a bit less automated. It adds in some of that human element but if you’re qualifying your vendors and you say specifically, “I need a vendor that’s of a certain size, revenue, certification,” or other elements that are specific. If you just want to manage how many vendors are potentially bidding on your job, then that is an offering we do as well for a small surcharge.
That helps cover special needs, it sounds like. That may be a little outside of the norm or for a customer that has a particular need in a certain aspect of the job.
As it relates to certain projects that are confidential in nature, we have a strict confidentiality provision in our customer and vendor agreement. Customers can check the box to say, “This is a confidential RFQ versus not confidential,” and then to take it even a step further, you’ll say, “I only want 1 or 2 guys to ever have seen this. Pick your best 1 or 2,” then that’s something we’re also capable of doing through the platform.
Is there a file transfer happening when they’re reviewing it for quotations? Can that be protected as well?
Yes. As far as the file transfer is concerned, there is a file transfer because what we’ve found is you can’t get an accurate quote without it. There are some avenues we’re considering exploring down the road of playing a bigger direct role and giving quotations. It would have to come at some kind of premium for us to not share that file with our vendor base for them to give a truly accurate quote, but for the time being, yes, we are sharing the files with our vendors. They would have all opted into our agreement, which has a number of provisions to protect IP.
You have policies and everybody’s on notice that, “If this is checked confidential, you are contractually obligated.” That’s what most customers would care about. They want to know that everybody’s had this serious contractual commitment to keep things confidential.
Two comments on that. Number one, unless the vendor has opted into the confidentiality provision, they would never even see the job so they wouldn’t ever get a peek at it. The second thing I would say is, we’ve talked with a number of customers and they would say, “Here’s the NDA that we’ve got in place.” The blanket NDA we’ve built onto our platform is stricter in terms of the provisions and the number of years that are in effect. That was critical to us having an umbrella NDA that makes everybody comfortable with using the platform.
That would seem to simplify it for customers too, if they can trust you that you’ve taken care of this. They don’t have to worry about giving you an NDA at all. If they’re checking it’s confidential, they’re covered. Is that fair?
When I was researching online, your service in some ways seems on its face a little similar to 3D Hubs. When you dig into the details, it seems to be quite different. It’s more business to business and also more commercial.
It’s embedded because in 3D Hubs, you opt-in, decide, you got a printer, and you’re good. In this case, you’re vetting them, which is extremely important.
That’s what I was thinking. Do you think 3D Hubs rely on reviews of people that have used them to qualify?
You’re always taking a risk.
Number one, with 3D Hubs, conceptually, there are similarities. It’s great what they’re doing for the consumer market. Our platform is more business, quality, and vetting oriented. As you’ll know too, we were submitting an RFQ if you’ve got particular specifications or tolerances that need to be held and if you’ve got drawings of parts. We built our platform around that professional production-grade application. In that sense, there are certainly some similarities and a number of differences as well.
It seems like there’s a place for each of you. I wasn’t trying to make you be the same thing. There are some important distinctions beneficial to your customers.
We firmly believe in Source Smarter. I like your tagline because this is an issue, whether you’re sourcing products to whitelist on Amazon or you’re going to go through Alibaba. This is the world we live in and work every day for our clients. It’s what we see all the time. The sourcing is the biggest problem for most inventors and entrepreneurs. To be able to have a vetted area is rare. That’s critical because there are many factors that can go wrong if you don’t realize you need certifications. The fact that you still have a person who might run through that and say, “This is an electronic product. You might need this kind of certified vendor.” It’s great that you have someone there who could take a look at that.
All too often in this industry, customers are out there on their own. It’s like the Wild West in 3D printing where you’re buyer beware and you have to build that trust slowly over time and trial and error with a lot of different vendors. It cannot be understated. The qualification aspect of vetting is key, especially for business to business customers.
It’s what we normally do for our clients on consumer products. We go to factories, visit them, and make sure they have the capacity, the certifications, and they do that. We do that on behalf of many of our customers because there isn’t anyone out there who isn’t just a reseller of something and you can’t always take their word for it. You have to have somewhat a platform where their dependency is both on the customer side and on the vendor side and not solely as a rep.
That was one of the things that I was seeing in the market. There’s no single source of truth and there are many great new technologies that are coming into the market and new materials being introduced. To have something that’s truly agnostic to different technologies and materials out there and say, “If it’s a great product,” or as it relates to these vendors, “You’re a great vendor, you do great work, and you know what you’re talking about,” then that’s a big valuable service to provide folks. They’re increasingly dipping their toes into these 3D printing waters. A number of companies have started doing 3D printing a lot more intently, and for all of those companies, there’s a big learning curve to deal with, and we want to be there to help them with that.
Cullen, maybe you could give us a few tips for making a better request for a quotation. To be a good customer, what is it that you need to know before you go in and fill it out?
The number one thing is detail. Our platform is built around algorithmic and human-based matching to get things routed into the right set of vendors. Those are key components of any RFQ. You’re uploading your CAD file and you’re specifying material process and any finished requirements. When we say specifying those, you don’t have to know exactly what you want. You can just describe it. We recognized as we were building this that not everybody when it relates to finishing, speaks in the language of Ra, which is a common measure of smoothness, for instance. When it comes to the materials, there are a lot of materials that aren’t printable yet. They may be used to using something like Delrin when they CNC machine stuff and there’s not an equivalent. Some people are experimenting with Delrin printing.
We’re laughing on this, not because of you, but because we get it all the time. I’m a materials person, so I get this all the time. I’ll do an intercept sometimes when reviewing materials and people will say, “I like leather,” but the stuff that they’re touching isn’t real leather. It’s faux leather or whatever. When I have done it where I’ve compared real leather to faux leather, they prefer the faux leather over the real leather because it has less imperfections. I always laugh because the way people describe things is different when they say they want something matte.
I tweeted out something about how our PLA is beautiful because it’s matte and I don’t like the ABS shininess. I got harassed by somebody saying that I didn’t know what I was talking about and I must be using ABS because ABS is matte and PLA is shiny. I was like, “Have you felt the texture of it?” My terminology is based on lightness to darkness and graininess, and all of these things. My use of that term isn’t maybe technical. As you said, it’s not a Ra.
A lot of folks aren’t going to know exactly what they want. That’s what we wanted to facilitate here. We’re just not to push button parts yet. We’ll get there one of these days, but we’re definitely not there yet. What we wanted to do was allow folks to submit that single RFQ and then get a lot of smart vendors on the other side of the equation, demonstrating their expertise, presenting what they think is the best solution, and facilitating all that messaging that can take place with a handful of vendors in one place. You can keep track of your RFQs and you can resubmit them easily. All of that on the platform is a big benefit to all parties.
What percentage of your business do you see being still prototype parts versus actual short-run production parts?
The trend line is still heavier on the prototype side of things as opposed to production runs. It’s funny because some of these “prototypes” are being used in a production capacity, if that makes sense. It’s like a short run where, “We like this design.” We’ll go ahead and use it for the purpose that the final products intended for.
Designed like test runs.
Yes, in a manner of speaking. It’s still heavier on the prototype side as opposed to true production runs. Maybe 70/30 or 80/20 or something like that.
Do you see it trending up a little bit in terms of short-run production, though, over time? Do you think that it’s going to remain similar percentages going forward?
Over time, it’s got to increasingly trend towards production runs because I see the cost elements in the market pulling down over time. Part of it through solutions like ours that allow for more efficient connections between customers and suppliers. The underlying cost too, of the equipment and materials. The speed of these machines time being one of the biggest costs components whenever anybody’s pricing something. All that’s going to come down over time. As every incremental drop in overall cost is going to open the door to a slightly bigger crossover point where maybe 1,000 units or 2,000 units is the crossover point, but if the cost per unit for 3D printing drops a little bit, all of a sudden, that crossover point to jump, injection molding, or something like that, maybe 5,000, 10,000, 20,000, 50,000 or up as we go through time.
That’s interesting because we’ve been hearing from many people, and I’ve been quoting things out there, that 1,000 is about the tipping point. On these industrial machines, maybe it’s a little higher. You said 2,000, so that’s good to know as well because that’s still a small run. Under 5,000 is still a small run in any kind of mass-market situation.
As a general rule, the mass market argument for 3D printing something is if it’s geometry, you can’t achieve any other way. Certainly, when it comes to metals and then plastics, it’s similar. The only comment I make on that is that people can’t get hung up on a unit quantity, just hang their hat on 1,000 or 100 or 10,000. The reality of it is, back to our hotel example, how many rooms do you have in your hotel? If it’s a tiny little part and it’s a single build tray, it’s the build tray that dictates economies when it comes to 3D printing. It’s not mass quantities like it is for traditional subtractive.
That speaks toward a lesson that I learned early in my career. It’s the old triangle between time, cost, and quality. You can have high quality and you can have it relatively low cost, maybe filling that build tray in the empty hotel room scenario, but you can’t need it tomorrow. You may have to wait for it.
There’s a different mix of things between build volume quality, speed, and all of that.
If you’re always willing to wait a little longer for it, you might get a better price when it can be squeezed in. Something else it’s going to run anyway.
What we’ve done with 3Diligent is we create a situation where you don’t have to make that trade-off between time, cost, and quality. It just so happens that one of our service providers is running something in that material tomorrow and they’ve got access based on that build tray, they might be able to offer it up to you at a steep discount. They’re already running that build for positive gross margins. As long as they’re covering their costs, they’re making more out of their machine than they otherwise would.
Especially to talk about some of these powder bed technologies too. The process of laying each of those individual layers of powder across an entire build tray, it’s going to take about the same amount of time, regardless of whether you got a 25%, 50%, or 75% full build tray. It doesn’t always happen this way. What our platform facilitates are those unique circumstances when things can nicely be slid in alongside an existing run or find their way onto idle capacity so you can get top-notch performance on time, quick turnarounds, lower costs, and the highest level of quality.
Maybe the old lessons of decades ago are not necessarily true with modern technology. We were always taught you can have any two, time, cost, or quality. You can have any two at the expense of the third. Maybe you can have all three of them.
Why not let tech help us?
It’s serendipity. As our vendor base continues to grow, the chance that one of our vendors happens to be running your particular material or they’re about to start that run a day or two from now, and they can add you in alongside an existing run, it goes up. It’s going up every day. With that in mind yet, you may not have to make those trade-offs. It allows these vendors’ machines to get you a better product faster and more affordably.
Any business that is developing products and that doesn’t have to be retail products. It could be commercial products, industrial products, or whatever, who needs precision manufacturing and is not in a position to take the risk on tooling. In a traditional sense, it should be using this resource.
It’s probably even bigger than that, Cullen. That’s what you were talking about when you’re saying that there should be more production coming up because of the new design form. That’s the issue. We have an angel and a tie that we’ve been showing on our website that we talk about all the time here. The two of them cannot be tooled and there’s never a situation in which we could make a tool to make them. If we start selling them, we’re capped if we don’t find a more industrial resource to be able to scale up production at the speed we need.
You said it all just about right.
We should go through exercise. We’ll do it like a product review, website review, or a system review.
I’d love to have you go through the process. If you want to check the 3Diligent Select box, I’m happy to throw that in gratis too. We’ll walk through the process, chat on the phone, and streamline things as you see fit.
Thank you, Cullen, for being on the show. We look forward to talking with you again in the future.3D printers are a lot like hotels. It wouldn’t hurt to sell wasted capacity for a discount. Click To Tweet
It’s my pleasure. Thank you for having me on.
I hope after reading that, you realize why we decided to include this as a podcast. It’s not our usual beginner’s topic but it is the beginner’s concern when you get to a certain point and you start producing designs you like and maybe you want to sell them or maybe you just want to make a bigger run. Maybe you’re about to run a Kickstarter and you want to make sure you can produce for it. There are many cases in which you might want to make a run of something.
With somebody other than you’re doing it on your own printers or investing in printers.
Believe me, we’ve been running our printer 24 hours a day. That’s to serve as holiday orders.
The idea being that we are in this boat where we are taking a couple of our designs and putting them on the market. They’re not out there yet. We’re still figuring out the best ways to do it and taking our time because we want to do it right. We’re producing products here all the time as we’re looking for an outsource to be able to increase our capacity at a quality level that’s acceptable to us and at a price that makes it viable.
We’ve been exploring. We’ve explored other FFF printer outsources and we’re looking out. We’ve been starting to think that maybe, in some cases, the industrial way is the way to go. One of the things we touched on here is that there is a key issue for us in that. Our geometry cannot be produced in traditional manufacturing methods, so we don’t have a scale-up. Let’s say our angels went crazy. We could never produce thousands of units because we couldn’t tool from it. It’s not possible.
3D printing is the only way that it’s acceptable for us to make it.
We have to find the best cost option to make it in the largest mass we can. It’s great that size matters here. The build volume is more important and that’s such a great way to look at it as opposed it’s just volume. It’s just the number of units.
I like the empty hotel room analogy and it makes sense there. There are many real businesses in the world that operate on that concept and it’s real in big businesses. I liked the idea that you don’t have to be a Fortune 500 company with a big budget to be able to get high-quality 3D printing done. I liked exploring other materials and that’s something we probably didn’t touch enough on in the interview. There is quite a wide breadth of material available through 3Diligent.
There are lots of metals and different options in terms of finishing. Cullen even mentioned afterward in our post discussion that he has many guys who do post finishing. They’ll do painting and they’ll do other things to it. You could probably even have anodized done and things like that.
That was one of my questions for him afterward because I was thinking about our 3D printed tie. There may be a market for a cool anodized version. Aluminum is lightweight enough that it wouldn’t be too heavy around your neck.
Tom is trying to resist the fact that the tie should be ornamental jewelry. It’s just worn by men. This is what I keep saying it is, which means that it’s covered by copyright and sculpture laws. Tom keeps saying, “No, it’s a tie. It’s something you wear.” If you start making it metal and you hook it around your neck, how’s that not a necklace?
I’m not challenging you that it’s an ornamental object and that ornament is functional. I don’t have any problem with its appearance being its function. There are lots of differences but take our angel, for instance. Clearly, it’s a holiday item. We’re printing a bunch of them for our own purposes and they’re not available commercially yet, but we’re planning ahead. Realistically, in 2016, the fourth quarter, that can be on the market. The 2016 version of it or a new adaptation of it can be out there. The groundwork we’re laying, we’re learning how we could get it out there. It’s exposed so people can find it and want to buy it, but then prepare for potential scale. If it were to get some press and take off, how are we going to keep up with that demand? We need outside sources to do it.
It’s even more than that. We’ve been asked by others to design and put their logo on a keychain in a promotional product situation for a trade show. You’ve got to produce at least 1,000 units. At that point, you can’t, or more.
You’ve got to use a common key chain that’s not unique to your company. All you’re doing is printing your logo on it. What if you could make it unique to your company and not a common object?
It’s a small object so there’s going to be build volume benefits to that because they could definitely squeeze a bunch of those on there. You can get your volume up there at a good price. That’s a viable option where maybe it wasn’t quite before.
Minimum order quantities are fading away. That industry used to be limited by, “You’ve got to make 500 or else don’t even bother doing it,” but you could make 25 or 50.
In this case, if you’re going to go to CES or something, you need thousands, so you could still do it.
You don’t want a tool for it. You don’t want to spend that money and have that lead time. Maybe you’re making the decision a little bit too late to tool for it, even if you could afford to get ready for CES.
This brings a lot of viability to various ways of getting your design ideas out there in whatever capacity, whether you’re inventing something, kick-starting something, or you want to sell it on Amazon. It’s an alternative option to doing something like Shapeways.
We’ve had lots of inventors that we’ve worked with or have come up to us at speaking engagements and said, “I don’t want to get a quotation on producing my invention yet because it’s confidential. You have to give an NDA.” Everybody’s always worried about NDAs although you and I are not big fans of NDAs. Anyway, we did use them earlier in our career but what I like about what 3Diligent does is they’ve taken care of that for you as a source.
You don’t even have to go and get an NDA figured out by your attorney. There’s one there and there’s a streak, that’s already great.
They’ve already vetted the companies that are going to quote your project and you can check the box that this is confidential and trust that it will remain confidential. To me, that right there is a powerful benefit of 3Diligence.
Also, playing one place but being able to switch every time. If I have a different need tomorrow because we do many different clients all the time, one week, it will be one thing and another week, it will be something different. Being able to have one vendor that I have to deal with and paychecks to or whatever, that’s useful.
Think about the complexities of prototyping things with factories overseas. That’s the trust you have to build over a long period of time.
That’s why most people end up using a trading company because it simplifies the process there. The problem was that using a trading company or an Alibaba or whatever those things are, there usually isn’t good screening.
Of course, you’re paying a bigger margin using a trading company like that as well. To me, the benefit of here manufacturing small runs and prototypes in the US with sources that are vetted, qualified, and can be trusted to keep things confidential is the big thing. That’s huge.
There’s a product review and we went and tested it out so you can read that on the blog. Remember everybody that the blog posts are at 3DStartPoint.com and you can read it right there or you can skip over to the WTFFFPodcast.com which is there as well.
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